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by chaggle
Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:23 am
Forum: Politics, Economics and Law.
Topic: A second referendum - or a general election?
Replies: 72
Views: 2420

Re: A second referendum - or a general election?

Good rant but I don't know the same kind of remainers as you. Some remainers I know are against 2 ref either as they see it as 'unethical' or 'unconstitutional' or 'undemocratic' none of which is right but basically they think that we should abide by the result, or they see 2 ref as more problematic...
by chaggle
Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:26 pm
Forum: Politics, Economics and Law.
Topic: Brexit consequences
Replies: 597
Views: 60701

Re: Brexit consequences

This is a long read but well worth it.

Sir Ivan Rogers addresses University of Liverpool’s Heseltine Institute for Public Policy, Practice and Place.

https://news.liverpool.ac.uk/2018/12/13 ... on-brexit/
by chaggle
Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:54 pm
Forum: Politics, Economics and Law.
Topic: A second referendum - or a general election?
Replies: 72
Views: 2420

Re: A second referendum - or a general election?

OK - but that's not an error from her point of view then - although it might be what we want.

Allowing the bill to be defeated would have led to Nodexit or Ref 2 - neither of which she wants.
by chaggle
Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:30 am
Forum: Politics, Economics and Law.
Topic: A second referendum - or a general election?
Replies: 72
Views: 2420

Re: A second referendum - or a general election?

That's as good a guess as any Tony. Worrying times. There is a huge split right down the country and it's getting wider. My gut feel is that the Brexiteers are getting more polarised and strident and remainers are becoming more confused about what can or should be done about it all. So the pressure ...
by chaggle
Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:08 am
Forum: Politics, Economics and Law.
Topic: A second referendum - or a general election?
Replies: 72
Views: 2420

Re: A second referendum - or a general election?

... The sanest way out of the present deadlock is a second referendum, but there is a lot of opposition to that among the MPs of both main parties. ... There is opposition to that amongst the populace as well - leave voters obviously but remainers as well. Last night I was talking with a group of r...
by chaggle
Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:22 am
Forum: Politics, Economics and Law.
Topic: A second referendum - or a general election?
Replies: 72
Views: 2420

Re: A second referendum - or a general election?

... I assume that timescales are now so short (no time for a new PM to negotiate anything, no time to hold a general election, no time to hold a second referendum) that if May goes then the UK is almost certain to ask the EU for an Article 50 time extension beyond 29 March. ... So if BOJO or simila...
by chaggle
Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:17 am
Forum: Politics, Economics and Law.
Topic: A second referendum - or a general election?
Replies: 72
Views: 2420

Re: A second referendum - or a general election?

What is now more likely - no deal or remain?

I don't know what the mechanism is for any of this.

It's been said that parliament won't allow a no deal under any circumstances - does this change that?

What happens if BOJO gets in?
by chaggle
Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:50 am
Forum: Politics, Economics and Law.
Topic: A second referendum - or a general election?
Replies: 72
Views: 2420

Re: A second referendum - or a general election?

On BBC just now - they are going to postpone tomorrow's vote.
by chaggle
Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:55 am
Forum: Politics, Economics and Law.
Topic: A second referendum - or a general election?
Replies: 72
Views: 2420

Re: A second referendum - or a general election?

Well now, this is looking interesting: the ECJ has endorsed the advice from their lawyer that a country can unilaterally withdraw its Article 50 notice of leaving the EU, and remain in the EU on exactly the same terms it enjoys at present, provided it goes through some democratic process to do so. ...
by chaggle
Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:36 am
Forum: Politics, Economics and Law.
Topic: A second referendum - or a general election?
Replies: 72
Views: 2420

Re: A second referendum - or a general election?

... gut feelings have at least as much to do with how people vote as reason... Just picking out that one, I had a beer-fuelled conversation with the world war three starter from my previous post - more of a one-way rant really with my only contribution, every 10 seconds or so, being - 'what's that ...
by chaggle
Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:10 am
Forum: Politics, Economics and Law.
Topic: A second referendum - or a general election?
Replies: 72
Views: 2420

Re: A second referendum - or a general election?

Much is being made of the dangers of having a second referendum - betraying democracy, no-one would ever bother to vote again, leave voters would be very pissed off etc. and I suspect that for some (the tribal, faith based leave voters) that would be the case. In our 'early doors' group at the local...
by chaggle
Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:14 am
Forum: Politics, Economics and Law.
Topic: How Democracies Die
Replies: 10
Views: 1346

Re: How Democracies Die

Shit. :shock:
by chaggle
Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:29 pm
Forum: Politics, Economics and Law.
Topic: The commons debate
Replies: 2
Views: 120

The commons debate

Anybody else watching?

I'm impressed with the way it's being conducted - nothing like the bear-pit of PMQs

I'm finding it all very interesting.

Of course it all means nothing until the vote - will all this talking change any minds? Is that the point of it?
by chaggle
Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:00 am
Forum: Politics, Economics and Law.
Topic: Brexit consequences
Replies: 597
Views: 60701

Re: Brexit consequences

I've just caught up on Marr - The Slithy Tove tm was on. He was saying the usual thing about any second referendum... (all paraphrased) ...that to have one would say to the people that 'you can have a choice but if you make the wrong choice we'll make you choose again' that it would 'undermine faith...
by chaggle
Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:02 am
Forum: Politics, Economics and Law.
Topic: Brexit consequences
Replies: 597
Views: 60701

Re: Brexit consequences

Is that about the legal advice issue? :con