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by Tony.Williams
Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:23 pm
Forum: Politics, Economics and Law.
Topic: A second referendum - or a general election?
Replies: 67
Views: 2303

Re: A second referendum - or a general election?

Allowing the bill to be defeated would have led to Nodexit or Ref 2 - neither of which she wants. True - but she's not going to get what she does want either. It should be obvious even to her by now that there is zero chance of obtaining a deal which the EU, DUP and ERG will all approve and vote fo...
by Tony.Williams
Sat Dec 15, 2018 1:16 pm
Forum: Politics, Economics and Law.
Topic: A second referendum - or a general election?
Replies: 67
Views: 2303

Re: A second referendum - or a general election?

An argument I've come across for which I have a lot of sympathy: May made a very bad error in pulling the vote on the Maybill. She should have allowed the bill to be defeated, which would then have focused everyone's mind on the alternatives. There might be a small body of support for a Norway-type ...
by Tony.Williams
Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:46 am
Forum: Politics, Economics and Law.
Topic: A second referendum - or a general election?
Replies: 67
Views: 2303

Re: A second referendum - or a general election?

A (slightly) more optimistic view from the Irish Times (very good, by the way): https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/support-is-likely-to-grow-for-second-referendum-as-other-options-fall-away-1.3730613 Some ministers suggested at last week’s cabinet meeting that MPs should have an indicative vot...
by Tony.Williams
Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:52 am
Forum: Politics, Economics and Law.
Topic: A second referendum - or a general election?
Replies: 67
Views: 2303

Re: A second referendum - or a general election?

I am now getting seriously worried. May has been subjected to colossal and ever-increasing pressures and it's hard to understand how she keeps going. But there are reportedly signs that she is beginning to wilt, notably from the reactions of the EU to her performance yesterday. The last thing we nee...
by Tony.Williams
Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:42 am
Forum: Great Quotes.
Topic: "Obsolete values."
Replies: 1
Views: 65

Re: "Obsolete values."

One of the curiosities of politics in these mad times, is that after two years of everyone speculating just how long the Labour Party can possibly hold together given the fundamentally different philosophies of the bulk of MPs compared with the Corbynites, all has gone very quiet in that corner. Pre...
by Tony.Williams
Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:58 pm
Forum: Politics, Economics and Law.
Topic: A second referendum - or a general election?
Replies: 67
Views: 2303

Re: A second referendum - or a general election?

I only hope that the quality of the information circulating improves. I noticed that Dominic Lawson said in one newspaper column a few days ago that the scares about lorry queues at the ports in the event of a Nodexit were unfounded, as the UK port managers had assured him that they could cope with ...
by Tony.Williams
Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:12 am
Forum: Politics, Economics and Law.
Topic: A second referendum - or a general election?
Replies: 67
Views: 2303

Re: A second referendum - or a general election?

I do wonder if there is any possibility of any Brexit bill being approved by Parliament. The Tories are bitterly divided: one government minister, Alistair Burt, tweeted: " They never, ever, stop. Votes against them, letters going in late - nothing matters to the ERG. After the apocalypse, all that ...
by Tony.Williams
Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:40 am
Forum: Politics, Economics and Law.
Topic: A second referendum - or a general election?
Replies: 67
Views: 2303

Re: A second referendum - or a general election?

Yes. I saw his immediate response to the BBC, in which he was claiming that it was a terrible result for May, removes her authority etc - spinning so hard I was expecting him to drill a hole and disappear into the ground. All that did was demonstrate that you can't trust anything he says.
by Tony.Williams
Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:58 am
Forum: Politics, Economics and Law.
Topic: A second referendum - or a general election?
Replies: 67
Views: 2303

Re: A second referendum - or a general election?

Interesting question. May agreed that Parliament would have a "meaningful vote" on the government's proposed Brexit bill (which is what was supposed to be happening this week) but I assume that if May is replaced by any hard Brexiter, s/he will abandon the Maybill. To allow a "meaningful vote" on a ...
by Tony.Williams
Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:14 am
Forum: Politics, Economics and Law.
Topic: A second referendum - or a general election?
Replies: 67
Views: 2303

Re: A second referendum - or a general election?

It's impossible to judge what the ultimate outcome might be at this stage if May is deposed - too many variables and uncertainties. I assume that timescales are now so short (no time for a new PM to negotiate anything, no time to hold a general election, no time to hold a second referendum) that if ...
by Tony.Williams
Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:14 am
Forum: Politics, Economics and Law.
Topic: A second referendum - or a general election?
Replies: 67
Views: 2303

Re: A second referendum - or a general election?

There was I, hoping for a nice quiet morning for a change.... :roll: A bit of a dilemma for the Tory MPs now. If they fail to unseat May, they are stuck with her for another 12 months. If they succeed, the country faces weeks of uncertainty until a new PM can take over - probably after the last perm...
by Tony.Williams
Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:15 pm
Forum: Politics, Economics and Law.
Topic: A second referendum - or a general election?
Replies: 67
Views: 2303

Re: A second referendum - or a general election?

A good article in The New European: https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/zoe-williams-the-next-pro-european-campaign-must-be-built-on-passion-1-5808744 We need a new vehicle for the campaign itself and its £7million electioneering coffers. The organisations that sprang out of Stronger In – w...
by Tony.Williams
Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:49 pm
Forum: Politics, Economics and Law.
Topic: A second referendum - or a general election?
Replies: 67
Views: 2303

Re: A second referendum - or a general election?

Some tweets posted on the BBC News website: From Nicola Sturgeon, at 13.43: So @jeremycorbyn - if Labour, as official opposition, lodges motion of no confidence in this incompetent government tomorrow, @theSNP will support & we can then work together to give people the chance to stop Brexit in anoth...
by Tony.Williams
Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:17 pm
Forum: Politics, Economics and Law.
Topic: A second referendum - or a general election?
Replies: 67
Views: 2303

Re: A second referendum - or a general election?

A rather different interpretation - the Maybot as Gollum, by Andy Serkis:

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-st ... -1-5812473
by Tony.Williams
Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:02 pm
Forum: Politics, Economics and Law.
Topic: A second referendum - or a general election?
Replies: 67
Views: 2303

Re: A second referendum - or a general election?

Laura Keunssberg on the BBC site: But is this last-minute hope of a shift from the EU real? As my colleague Katya Adler's explained there is nothing straightforward about this. On the face of it, it's pretty extraordinary to imagine that the UK government could be genuinely asking to reopen an agree...