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by Tony.Williams
Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:58 am
Forum: Politics, Economics and Law.
Topic: A second referendum - or a general election?
Replies: 56
Views: 1891

Re: A second referendum - or a general election?

Interesting question. May agreed that Parliament would have a "meaningful vote" on the government's proposed Brexit bill (which is what was supposed to be happening this week) but I assume that if May is replaced by any hard Brexiter, s/he will abandon the Maybill. To allow a "meaningful vote" on a ...
by Tony.Williams
Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:14 am
Forum: Politics, Economics and Law.
Topic: A second referendum - or a general election?
Replies: 56
Views: 1891

Re: A second referendum - or a general election?

It's impossible to judge what the ultimate outcome might be at this stage if May is deposed - too many variables and uncertainties. I assume that timescales are now so short (no time for a new PM to negotiate anything, no time to hold a general election, no time to hold a second referendum) that if ...
by Tony.Williams
Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:14 am
Forum: Politics, Economics and Law.
Topic: A second referendum - or a general election?
Replies: 56
Views: 1891

Re: A second referendum - or a general election?

There was I, hoping for a nice quiet morning for a change.... :roll: A bit of a dilemma for the Tory MPs now. If they fail to unseat May, they are stuck with her for another 12 months. If they succeed, the country faces weeks of uncertainty until a new PM can take over - probably after the last perm...
by Tony.Williams
Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:15 pm
Forum: Politics, Economics and Law.
Topic: A second referendum - or a general election?
Replies: 56
Views: 1891

Re: A second referendum - or a general election?

A good article in The New European: https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/zoe-williams-the-next-pro-european-campaign-must-be-built-on-passion-1-5808744 We need a new vehicle for the campaign itself and its £7million electioneering coffers. The organisations that sprang out of Stronger In – w...
by Tony.Williams
Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:49 pm
Forum: Politics, Economics and Law.
Topic: A second referendum - or a general election?
Replies: 56
Views: 1891

Re: A second referendum - or a general election?

Some tweets posted on the BBC News website: From Nicola Sturgeon, at 13.43: So @jeremycorbyn - if Labour, as official opposition, lodges motion of no confidence in this incompetent government tomorrow, @theSNP will support & we can then work together to give people the chance to stop Brexit in anoth...
by Tony.Williams
Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:17 pm
Forum: Politics, Economics and Law.
Topic: A second referendum - or a general election?
Replies: 56
Views: 1891

Re: A second referendum - or a general election?

A rather different interpretation - the Maybot as Gollum, by Andy Serkis:

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-st ... -1-5812473
by Tony.Williams
Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:02 pm
Forum: Politics, Economics and Law.
Topic: A second referendum - or a general election?
Replies: 56
Views: 1891

Re: A second referendum - or a general election?

Laura Keunssberg on the BBC site: But is this last-minute hope of a shift from the EU real? As my colleague Katya Adler's explained there is nothing straightforward about this. On the face of it, it's pretty extraordinary to imagine that the UK government could be genuinely asking to reopen an agree...
by Tony.Williams
Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:52 pm
Forum: Politics, Economics and Law.
Topic: A second referendum - or a general election?
Replies: 56
Views: 1891

Re: A second referendum - or a general election?

chaggle wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:50 am
On BBC just now - they are going to postpone tomorrow's vote.
All bets are off - again.

But a postponement is just wasting time unless the EU goes against what it has been firmly saying and agrees to reopen negotiations. And why should they? As far as they're concerned, it's our problem.
by Tony.Williams
Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:46 pm
Forum: Politics, Economics and Law.
Topic: A second referendum - or a general election?
Replies: 56
Views: 1891

Re: A second referendum - or a general election?

Is that process definitive Tony? Where did you find out about it? I don't think anything is definitive about the present process - that's just my understanding of what could happen. Of course, the whole issue of whether May will be defenestrated by her colleagues is buried within that but is relati...
by Tony.Williams
Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:13 am
Forum: Politics, Economics and Law.
Topic: A second referendum - or a general election?
Replies: 56
Views: 1891

Re: A second referendum - or a general election?

Well now, this is looking interesting: the ECJ has endorsed the advice from their lawyer that a country can unilaterally withdraw its Article 50 notice of leaving the EU, and remain in the EU on exactly the same terms it enjoys at present, provided it goes through some democratic process to do so. T...
by Tony.Williams
Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:35 am
Forum: Politics, Economics and Law.
Topic: A second referendum - or a general election?
Replies: 56
Views: 1891

Re: A second referendum - or a general election?

At this stage, every option is a bad one. So I would try to pick the one least likely to harm the country in the long term, which as far as I can see would be a vote to remain. However, I suspect that people are so tired of, if not confused by, the pros and cons of the different options that if it c...
by Tony.Williams
Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:02 am
Forum: Politics, Economics and Law.
Topic: How Democracies Die
Replies: 10
Views: 1245

Re: How Democracies Die

Here's another one, originally published in 2017 on the BBC website: How Western civilisation could collapse , by Rachel Nuwer: http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20170418-how-western-civilisation-could-collapse . Some extracts to cheer you up: The political economist Benjamin Friedman once compared mo...
by Tony.Williams
Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:31 pm
Forum: Politics, Economics and Law.
Topic: Brexit consequences
Replies: 596
Views: 58977

Re: Brexit consequences

This is a fun item (not) - an extract from a newspaper summary: It would be nice to think that the Brexit issue is soon going to be settled one way or another, allowing politics to return to normal, said Robert Shrimsley in the FT. But that's not going to happen. The divisions over Brexit will endur...
by Tony.Williams
Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:21 am
Forum: Art And Photography.
Topic: Great pics...great captions?
Replies: 10
Views: 2770

Re: Great pics...great captions?

BREAKING: UK exhausted from endless stream of Brexit bollocks so here’s a picture of some puppies.
OK then, which puppy expects a second referendum, which a Nodexit, which prefers May's deal, and which is just saying "oh f*ck it, let's call the whole thing off and go chasing sticks instead"?
by Tony.Williams
Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:40 pm
Forum: Politics, Economics and Law.
Topic: A second referendum - or a general election?
Replies: 56
Views: 1891

Re: A second referendum - or a general election?

A handy guide to the possibilities should May's proposal be voted down:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46393399