DODGY 'DETECTORS' REAR UGLY ANTENNA AGAIN

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DODGY 'DETECTORS' REAR UGLY ANTENNA AGAIN

Post by Dubious Dick » Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:39 pm

Despite considerable efforts by many to put a stop to this, the C-Fast 'detector', claimed to be able to diagnose Hepatitis C, and now HIV as well, is still going strong, as reported here:

http://www.pepijnvanerp.nl/2014/02/dubi ... -up-again/


;bhd ;bhd

have been spreading the word as much as I can in hope this can be halted rapidly. Let's hope it is!

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Post by Zep » Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:40 pm

Oh dear. Methinks someone in the Egyptian army is trying to make some money off their discarded "explosives detectors" now that they have been confirmed as utterly bogus elsewhere. Gives baksheesh a new dimension...

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Post by Dubious Dick » Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:41 pm

There may be some good news. It seems that an advisor to the Egyptian President is pushing for an independent review. They have been bombarded with skeptical press enquiries since the announcement over the weekend, due largely to the discovery of the info by Pepijn, and that news being spread around rapidly.

Maybe a small victory for good old online skeptical activism. We await further news.

http://www.egyptindependent.com//new...tecting-device



http://www.pepijnvanerp.nl/2014/02/dubi ... -up-again/


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Post by karamazov2 » Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:45 pm

Never understand why Govt bodies don't instigate their own rigorous testing before purchase?

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Post by Zep » Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:45 pm

Mods, can we merge this with the existing thread on the subject? Thanks!

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Post by bindeweede » Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:46 pm

Merged, as requested.

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Post by Dubious Dick » Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:47 pm

A new development in the story...

In the following video you will see the literally unbelievable C-FAST 'detector' developed in Egypt for diagnosing diseases such as Hep C and AIDS. I have covered this nonsense in another thread.

BUT..in this video they also present the CCD (Complete Cure Device). Watch and let us know what you think. Could it be true? My bet is unlikely, but am no medico so not qualified to judge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVq8xbmq_j8&authuser=0

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Post by Dubious Dick » Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:48 pm

Some good news from an Egyptian website. For those of you who speak Arabic, here is the link, and below the Google translation. Well done to Dr Heggy for standing up to the Egyptian Army!

http://almogaz.com/news/politics/2014/02/25/1355191

«scientific scandal of Egypt»


Chief Scientific Adviser: Treatment alleged «scientific scandal of Egypt»

Tuesday, February 25th, 2014 - 09:50:59 PM

Shen, Dr. Essam Heggy, Science Advisor to the President of the Republic, a sharp attack on the invention of the armed forces to treat the virus «C» hepatitis and «AIDS», which was announced during the opening of a number of projects carried out by the Engineering Authority of the Armed Forces, last Saturday, in the presence of President Adly Mansour and Dr. Hazem Beblawy Prime Minister «outgoing», and Field Marshal Abdel Fattah Sisi defense minister, describing innovation as «scientific scandal of Egypt» evidence and documents.

He said «Haggai», in remarks «home», that the invention is not convincing and has no scientific basis and is clear from the fact demo of the device, which was broadcast on television channels, in addition to the research on innovation has not been published in any scientific journals prestigious, referring to the that «the subject of such sensitivity In my personal opinion hurts the image of the state, and would be counterproductive in scientific research, and I had hoped that there will be greater warned about what was said in the dissemination of such information».

The scientific adviser to the president: I want to be clear and explicit, what has been said and published about the invention of the armed forces hurts the image of scientists and science in Egypt, pointing out at the same time that the foreign press will translate the press conference announcing which of the invention Medical Center, to be used negatively in the abuse of the image Egypt internationally.

He disclosed that the President of the Republic and the Minister of Defense has not been A_i_arthma with display of information and details about the invention, and that individual effort for some people, stressing that the President Adly Mansour, Field Marshal Abdel Fattah Sisi surprised what was said about the invention without reference to them, and that attending the Conference of the announcement of the device does not mean agreeing upon .

«International scientific research»: lack of clear description and fine details
He said «Haggai» It did not have any background prior to this conference, and he was hoping not to hold a press conference or to be announced only after consulting Egyptian scientists in the field of liver disease, and AIDS, adding that all the scientists who are working inside and outside Egypt are infected shock of the invention, Because it has no scientific basis, and that the invention overcome the logic of scientific and human in proving the effectiveness of this device in the treatment of patients with HIV «C», pointing out that the worst thing is the videos and directories that have been published about the innovation of the armed forces, and considered it as a «shock scientific and bad publicity for the project ». He said that after his return next week from the United States, which he is visiting currently, will meet with the President and the Secretary of Defense to discuss what happened scientifically, and that he would convey the entire picture, to coordinate with after any announcement for scientific research, stressing that it will be published clarification from the presidency on this invention. He added: I am a consultant Scientific for the presidency do not support this discovery very clearly, and I contacted the president personally spoke with him was introduced, and the President «Mansour» and Marshal «Sisi» went to attend the opening of projects, medical and scientific armed forces without being put on notice the details of these achievements, so it did not The auditing of research before displaying details in a formal conference, pointing out that they were surprised discovery, also was surprised by the scientists and physicians of the armed forces as well, and supposed that science is not the diplomacy, and it is an insult to Egypt at home and abroad, and is not the first time that this has happened.

Dr Essam Heggy that he has documents to prove that the invention of the armed forces is not scientific, and the first document which is a message search, who invented a medical device on the basis, that the search did not include details of scientific innovation clearly and precisely, and all the contents of an image device and a summary of the year for the way it works and this does not apply to scientific research, and the second document, a copy of the research published in a scientific journals is internationally known, inter alia third document provides a summary of the scientific research International in which she says: «This research has nothing to do scientific research, and does not represent the world and is building on the precise details of the discovery ».

Summary detect body of scientific research for international research on the invention for it lacks the description is clear and precise details of the functioning of the device, did not materialize, the requirement to provide sufficient information about it, as indicated by the terms of international

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Post by Dubious Dick » Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:49 pm

AIDS IS A KEBAB. No, really!

If you want a funny peculiar laugh please watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... 1fdHT5PfcA

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Post by Dubious Dick » Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:50 pm

Despite the previous outcry at the announcement of the C-Fast, Pepijn Van Erp has sent a link which shows the Egyptian Army are continuing to promote this nonsense. I have done a Google translate, but if anyone is able to provide a better translation please feel free. Please not the range of colours! Clearly a way to enhance the efficacy!

http://www1.youm7.com/News.asp?NewsID=1 ... 20c04F_usY

Pictures .. ” Engineering Authority Armed Forces ” exposure detectors for viruses after the exhibition and inventor .. Medical devices : We got approval for the use of health ” C Fast ” and conducting experiments on a ” Corona ”

Thursday, May 8th, 2014 – 22:30
Devices virus-detection devices to detect viruses

Large banners hanging on the outer gate of the conference hall in Nasr City , greets you before you enter the exhibition ‘s official equipment of hospitals and medical facilities EgyMedica, in its fourth century, to notify you that the Engineering Authority of the Armed Forces offer within the exhibition ” The latest detection devices for viruses remotely , without sampling patient , “he wrote on the signs .

By accessing the exhibition hall , divided to showcase the latest innovations companies specializing in medical equipment, find a few meters on the right hand portion of the Authority Engineering of the Armed Forces , which has attracted ever online exhibition , to display all types of diagnostic devices remotely “Fast-Series”, on top of the device ” C – Fast ” , your diagnosis of virus C , next to the new types of these devices , which is still under experiment, the most important of your device diagnosis Corona virus .

Not only was the display devices , but have seen the hall display all the certificates , which serve to conduct scientific experiments on those devices , as well as the approvals of the Ministry of Health for the use of two diagnostic “C-Fast” and “I-Fast”, which are offered on the table subject by hardware models , next to put all the approvals in a large plate suspended in one aspect of the part dedicated to the engineering of the show, has also been put screen to view videos own experiments conducted on those devices and explain the idea of ​​work and saw her specialists .

“There is a big difference between the devices diagnose viruses and between your treatment of viral hepatitis C and AIDS,” This was confirmed by Colonel doctor Ahmed Amin Ibrahim , the inventor of diagnostic devices remotely , explaining that the theory of the work of these devices is in the capture device by slice placed inside , signals magnetic issued for a specific type of virus , Laket programming device to pick one type of virus , while the device for treating viral C and AIDS , which was not covered by the exhibition , based on the theory of the work of the other , which is directed by infected blood through the device and subjected to waves of rays affect the virus directly , pointing out that the patient is cured after a specified number of sessions.

He added that for a diagnosis of virus C ” C – Fast ” , and was getting approvals from the Ministry of Health using the device after conducting all experiments it to 5 thousand patients , and that the largest three specialized research centers liver disease , which is the Institute of Liver and Colleges of Medicine , Ain Shams The Kasr El Aini , next to conduct experiments in research centers in India and Pakistan , the success rates reached 93.4 % , pointing out that similar diagnostic devices , and due to be adopted in the diagnosis of viruses , ” Pei virus , malaria and seasonal flu ,” is still on probation .

With regard to a diagnosis of HIV Corona , recently announced , Ibrahim pointed out that the experiment was conducted on only one patient , who confirmed hit by the virus in Egypt , next to the vote on the samples of the virus to make sure that the direction of the device to another virus , pointing out that it is due , in collaboration with the Ministry of Health Egyptian , agreed to conduct additional experiments on the device , Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates , there are many confirmed cases of ” Corona ” them.

As for a cure viral C and AIDS , known Pkompelat Cure , stressed Colonel doctor facilitate Abdel Aal , that the armed forces honest in announcing this device and start using it in the treatment of patients in the first of July next , explaining that he will announce all the details relating to the conference press release scheduled for the end of next June , before the start of use of the device for treatment directly , which will be the Declaration of all scientific procedures followed during the phases of testing it, and that was to question the authenticity.

Regarding the attack , who witnessed the device after announced , pointed Abdel Aal that the attack was caused by way of advertising , because they were not included scientific details about the device , and was confined to the announcement of the discovery is propaganda , which made the percentage of doctors object to the way the announcement of the device , pointing that there is a committee formed under the guidance of field Marshal Abdel Fattah Sisi , the former defense minister , and Gen. Sedky Sobhy , the current defense minister , the membership of professors, experts in the field of armed forces and the Ministry of Health , universities and the National Research Center , in order to develop a protocol therapeutic device is used according to him, will be announced this protocol the end of June , explaining that hospitals will be determined by the use of the device will be out in cooperation between the armed forces and the Ministry of Health , for the treatment of patients with C virus , which is a ” national security .”

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Post by bindeweede » Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:51 pm

Egyptian military backtracks on Aids cure claims. Devices purported to identify and cure hepatitis and HIV set to be put to use have been delayed citing 'further testing'
"The equipment, which had been due to be introduced in army hospitals nationwide from next month, were widely panned by scientific experts. Critics include former president Mansour's own adviser, who said they appeared to have "no scientific basis"."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/j ... -backtrack

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Post by Zep » Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:53 pm

Now it's just a matter of the proponents going 180 degrees with support and getting rid of them while still saving face. BTW, the latter is probably the most important part, not the medicine.

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