Brexit consequences

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Re: Brexit consequences

Post by Croydon13013 » Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:38 am

May has spent weeks convincing the EU to say the same thing in a slightly different way. This is the big step forward around which we can all unite. Forward to poverty and misery!
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Re: Brexit consequences

Post by Tony.Williams » Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:38 pm

Errm, lost by 149. Now what? :con

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Re: Brexit consequences

Post by bindeweede » Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:52 pm

If we had a competent Government, or a competent Opposition, we might just have some idea. As we have neither, chaos and uncertainty rule. We are in the hands of charlatans, self-promoters and dimwits.

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Re: Brexit consequences

Post by Tony.Williams » Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:05 am

The only suggestion I have heard which might resolve the problem came from Chuka Umunna (never realised what a difficult name that is to spell - I had to check it three times and make two corrections!): to draw up a list of the options, ranging from Nodexit to Nobrexit plus all stops in between. I suggest a requirement of 50 MPs supporting an option before it is added to the list, to stop things getting silly. Then have a free vote involving all options, and drop the least popular. Then another free vote etc, until there are only two options left, when there will be a free vote between them. That would at least force a decision, which doesn't seem likely to happen the way things are going.

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Re: Brexit consequences

Post by Tony.Williams » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:04 pm

An afterthought to my post above: let Parliament whittle down the options to the final two as outlined, then put them to a referendum. That would solve the divisive question of "what would a second referendum be asking?"

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Re: Brexit consequences

Post by chaggle » Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:54 pm

...and presumably hope that the result is acceptable to the EU.

My view is that there are only two possible outcomes now and those are leave on the 29th with no deal, or extension and 2nd referendum with the only options being leave with no deal or remain.

I could of course be completely wrong.
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Re: Brexit consequences

Post by bindeweede » Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:58 pm

I believe another option is to revoke Article 50, which we can unilaterally.

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Re: Brexit consequences

Post by chaggle » Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:20 pm

bindeweede wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:58 pm
I believe another option is to revoke Article 50, which we can unilaterally.
Yes indeed. That's three then.
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Re: Brexit consequences

Post by Matt » Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:17 pm

So I would fully expect the final two options to be "declare war", and "bring back Only Fools and Horses"

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Re: Brexit consequences

Post by Croydon13013 » Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:54 am

The no-deal amendment vote of 312 - 308 was interesting. It suggests that if/when May manages to cock things up to the point where the only way to prevent a crash out is to revoke Article 50, a majority will vote to revoke. The 312 were saying that there must not be a no-deal under any circumstances.

Of course 312 isn't quite a majority. Around 10 MPs didn't vote; and some of them are very weird and vote quite randomly. But I think that the 312 is an absolute hard core number of MPs who'll vote to revoke (if "forced").
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Re: Brexit consequences

Post by chaggle » Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:14 pm

So where are we now? I'm lost.
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Re: Brexit consequences

Post by Matt » Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:34 pm

We have clearly and decisively dismissed every possible way forward. A such we're now pressed into looking for a way backwards and asking for an extension.

It seems that taking back control looks like demanding that the EU tell us exactly what sort of extension we will be allowed to have and to what purpose it will be put. Suggestions include a general election or a second referendum.

Also a rather cutting remark from Ian Blackford has amused me:

"A shiver has run along the Labour front bench looking for a spine strong enough to crawl up"

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Re: Brexit consequences

Post by chaggle » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:55 am

Excellent.
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Re: Brexit consequences

Post by Tony.Williams » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:04 am

What May appears to be doing might actually be quite clever. She seems to be saying to the ERG: "There are two options: if you approve my bill at the third attempt, the A50 delay will only be a few weeks, for technical reasons. If you reject it again, I will ask the EU for a long delay, maybe two years, to give enough time for a complete rethink."

A lot can happen in two years...

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Re: Brexit consequences

Post by Matt » Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:12 pm

A quite clever person looking at what May is doing might infer this motive. On the other hand, doing so could be described as Apophenia. Not giving up and plugging away a futile causes is kind of her schtick. I wouldn't reach for a more complex explanation than that.

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