Re: Brexit consequences
Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:21 pm
I'm no expert, but were the top three areas not major areas voting Leave?
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Probably, although that isn't surprising. The economically poorest areas in the country are the ones most vulnerable to recession; they are also where people are most disillusioned with the country's political/economic situation (their old, heavy industries having been virtually wiped out), so they are inclined to vote against whatever Whitehall wants, on a "sod-you-lot" principle. The fact that they get most help from the EU obviously adds to their vulnerability when we leave, and that makes their actions seem illogical - but Brexit is primarily an emotional decision, not a logical one.
Not really fair of him to point out the hard, cold truth that has been obvious from the start - the Irish border problem is not going to go away, and merely saying "we're going to solve it" doesn't achieve anything. It is inherently impossible to reconcile leaving the single market and customs union with maintaining an open border across Ireland. The government keeps kicking this can down the road, make vague comments about advanced technology monitoring (they have such an amazing record for complex IT systems, after all) while desperately hoping that something will turn up, but I really can't see a way of fudging this.EU Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier has warned that a transition period immediately after Brexit in 2019 is "not a given".
He outlined continuing disagreements between the UK and EU over issues like freedom of movement during the period.
He also said the UK's decision to leave the EU single market and customs union meant border checks at the Irish border were "unavoidable".
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... rexit.htmlI consider Brexit a tragic mistake.
Prior to Brexit, Britain enjoyed the best of all possible worlds: it was a member of the European Union without adopting the euro.
Allowing a referendum on membership was a fatal error. Experience has shown that referenda often lead to bad decisions. Egged on by unscrupulous agitators, people use them to express their dissatisfaction with the current state of affairs rather than contemplating the consequences. The fact that conditions are unsatisfactory does not mean they can’t get worse. That is what has happened in Britain.
...so that's OK then.an Anglo-Saxon race to the bottom. With Britain plunged into a Mad Max-style world borrowed from dystopian fiction. These fears about a race to the bottom are based on nothing, not history, not intention, nor interest.”
I was certainly aware of it and it's oft been said that the referendum was only advisory.Croydon13013 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 11:41 amHas anyone already linked to this doc on this thread?: http://researchbriefings.files.parliame ... P-7212.pdf
Guidance Note to all MPs before the vote on the referendum. Lots of interesting stuff.
Section 5: "This referendum is advisory only. It doesn't bind either Parliament or the Government to act on its outcome."
Section 6: "a supermajority would be required."
Who on earth could believe such stuff??A key member of the European Parliament’s Brexit team has described the manner in which the UK is conducting the Brexit negotiations as “a shambles” and warned that Michel Barnier is privately expressing his concerns, The Independent can reveal.
Belgian MEP Philippe Lamberts, who sits on the influential cross-party Brexit steering group, said he had never witnessed such “unpreparedness, lack of professionalism and competence” from politicians and that UK negotiators have “no direction” due to a lack of clarity from the government.
I had thought so, but everything is turning around slowly and who knows where we will be in a year's time? I suspect that arguments about the validity of the referendum will rise again.
God, my brain really hurts.....Thornberry said the only thing that would avoid a hard border in Northern Ireland was joining a customs union.
She added: “Is there any way which we can have frictionless trade with Europe without tariffs, without great lorry parks at Dover, without being in a form of customs unions? Can’t think of anything else. Seriously can’t think of anything else. So of course we will need to be in a form of customs union.”
Asked what kind of a customs union Labour would seek, she said: “So, technically, because we’re leaving the EU, we can’t be in the customs union that we are in now, so we leave and then we have to negotiate a new agreement.
“That, we think, is likely to be a customs union that will look pretty much like the current customs union.”