Brexit consequences

Tony.Williams
Posts: 806
Joined: Mon Jul 25, 2016 8:05 am
Location: Still somewhere in England
Contact:

Re: Brexit consequences

Post by Tony.Williams » Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:27 pm

An interesting poll in the Times. The majority of people don't want another referendum but, if a three-way one were to be held (hard Brexit, Chequers, or staying in) the first choices of those who say they would vote were:

Stay in EU 50%; Chequers 17%; hard Brexit 33%

Deleting Chequers and redistributing those votes using second preferences:

Stay in EU 55%; hard Brexit 45%.

However, given the opposition of both major parties to holding another referendum, it is very hard to see a solution which will do anything but leave the majority of Brits dissatisfied with the outcome.

Still, if (when?) the EU gives a firm "non" to some important provisions within Chequers, all bets are off. Then it's a matter of laying in lots of food and booze, battening down the hatches, and waiting it out...

User avatar
bindeweede
Site Admin
Posts: 3396
Joined: Sun Oct 25, 2015 3:45 pm
Location: Hertfordshire, UK

Re: Brexit consequences

Post by bindeweede » Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:22 pm

Robert Peston reports that May "says 70 "technical notices" for businesses and households will be published in Aug and Sept setting out how we can all prepare for a no-deal Brexit (should that be what happens). Yikes."

Long thread on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1019594403525136384

User avatar
chaggle
Posts: 2332
Joined: Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:01 am

Re: Brexit consequences

Post by chaggle » Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:57 pm

I can't find any other source for that - but - it's prepping time I guess. :shock:
Don't blame me - I voted remain :con

User avatar
bindeweede
Site Admin
Posts: 3396
Joined: Sun Oct 25, 2015 3:45 pm
Location: Hertfordshire, UK

Re: Brexit consequences

Post by bindeweede » Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:33 pm

There is a reference to it in a Sky News article. Using limited functions of phone, so struggling to post link.

User avatar
bindeweede
Site Admin
Posts: 3396
Joined: Sun Oct 25, 2015 3:45 pm
Location: Hertfordshire, UK

Re: Brexit consequences

Post by bindeweede » Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:36 pm

It's under "Immediate threat to May subsides....."

User avatar
chaggle
Posts: 2332
Joined: Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:01 am

Re: Brexit consequences

Post by chaggle » Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:43 am

It's mentioned in The Express this morning.
Hard Brexit preparations will step up from next month, with the release of 70 advisory technical notices to businesses and individuals.

The admission of the Government’s no-deal plans is likely to be music to the ears of some hard-line Brexiteers.

Until now, the Cabinet has been keeping quiet on any no-deal contingencies, through fear of companies heading overseas.
Why advice on how to protect against bad events and measures that might make companies want to move abroad should be music to anyone's ears is a little baffling.
Don't blame me - I voted remain :con

Tony.Williams
Posts: 806
Joined: Mon Jul 25, 2016 8:05 am
Location: Still somewhere in England
Contact:

Re: Brexit consequences

Post by Tony.Williams » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:22 am

The hard Brexiters approve of anything that might make a negotiated settlement less likely. They simply don't care about the consequences, this is theological rather than logical. I recall BoJo being quoted as saying "let's just get out - we can sort out all of the other issues afterwards". Frightening.

User avatar
chaggle
Posts: 2332
Joined: Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:01 am

Re: Brexit consequences

Post by chaggle » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:38 am

There's an odd dichotomy in Brexiter thinking.

On the one hand they want a clean break - no deal, but on the other they push the scenario (that is false anyway) that as the EU export more to the UK than the UK does to them - 'they need us more than we need them' - surely to emphasise the fact that 'it's going to be OK - they will be amenable to a settlement or deal' - which we don't want. :con
Don't blame me - I voted remain :con

Tony.Williams
Posts: 806
Joined: Mon Jul 25, 2016 8:05 am
Location: Still somewhere in England
Contact:

Re: Brexit consequences

Post by Tony.Williams » Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:56 pm

The Brexiters have a very limited perspective of negotiation, which might be summarised as "insisting that we get whatever we want".

User avatar
bindeweede
Site Admin
Posts: 3396
Joined: Sun Oct 25, 2015 3:45 pm
Location: Hertfordshire, UK

Re: Brexit consequences

Post by bindeweede » Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:50 pm

Heath Secretary Tweets on a no-deal Brexit.
Health and Social Care Committee

@CommonsHealth

.@MattHancock : "The department is working up options with industry for stockpiling medicines, medical devices and substances of human origin in the case of a no-deal Brexit. Obviously there will be a cost for this."
I expect those who voted Leave took this possibility into consideration.

https://www.parliament.uk/business/comm ... committee/

User avatar
chaggle
Posts: 2332
Joined: Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:01 am

Re: Brexit consequences

Post by chaggle » Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:26 pm

bindeweede wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:50 pm
Heath Secretary Tweets on a no-deal Brexit.
Health and Social Care Committee

@CommonsHealth

.@MattHancock : "The department is working up options with industry for stockpiling medicines, medical devices and substances of human origin in the case of a no-deal Brexit. Obviously there will be a cost for this."
I expect those who voted Leave took this possibility into consideration.

https://www.parliament.uk/business/comm ... committee/
Oh yes - they insist that they knew what they were voting for.
Don't blame me - I voted remain :con

Croydon13013
Posts: 1382
Joined: Sun Oct 25, 2015 7:48 pm

Re: Brexit consequences

Post by Croydon13013 » Wed Jul 25, 2018 3:54 pm

2016: "We'll give £350 million a week extra to the NHS"

2018: "Don't worry about food and drugs running out"

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politic ... 96201.html
thIS sIGnaTure iS an

Tony.Williams
Posts: 806
Joined: Mon Jul 25, 2016 8:05 am
Location: Still somewhere in England
Contact:

Re: Brexit consequences

Post by Tony.Williams » Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:43 am

Public opinion seems to be all over the place. Poll results in the last Sunday Times show a marked shift to the right, with strong support for a right-wing party to implement Brexit, and for BoJo the Clown to replace May (seriously!). But a question as to how they would vote in a second referendum resulted in 54% for remain, 46% for leave.

I suspect that what people want most is for this "death of a thousand cuts" to end. Somehow! Anyhow!! :devil

User avatar
bindeweede
Site Admin
Posts: 3396
Joined: Sun Oct 25, 2015 3:45 pm
Location: Hertfordshire, UK

Re: Brexit consequences

Post by bindeweede » Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:31 pm

Here's something to cheer everyone up, ready for a nice weekend. Ian Dunt "This is what no deal Brexit actually looks like.
No-deal is probably the most demented policy put forward by mainstream British politicians in the modern era. To see how it would work in practice, this piece looks at what would happen on day one. Doing this for the whole economy would take countless pages of Stephen-King-style horror, so it's stripped down to one topic: food. This is the story of how our system for importing and exporting food implodes almost instantly.
http://politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/07/27/ ... looks-like

User avatar
bindeweede
Site Admin
Posts: 3396
Joined: Sun Oct 25, 2015 3:45 pm
Location: Hertfordshire, UK

Re: Brexit consequences

Post by bindeweede » Sun Jul 29, 2018 6:07 pm

"Cabinet to “bury” no deal plans so people don’t panic."
It is, of course, good to plan for all eventualities. But that’s precisely what the Brexiters haven’t done. They didn’t think through what Brexit meant during the referendum. They didn’t think through how they would handle things when they pushed the prime minister to trigger Article 50 without a plan. And as they ramp up calls for us to crash out with no deal, they still haven’t got a plan – except, it seems, to try to hide the facts from the public until it is too late.
https://infacts.org/cabinet-to-bury-no- ... ont-panic/

Post Reply