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Not a great start to Tory Party Conference?

Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:38 pm
by bindeweede
Oh dear. What a pity.
The personal data of cabinet ministers and every Tory conference attendee was exposed to the public by the party's official conference app - a fiasco that has enraged already unhappy MPs.
It's really hard to believe.
Boris Johnson’s profile picture was changed to hardcore pornography, and Michael Gove’s to a picture of Rupert Murdoch.
The actual Conference might actually be even more entertaining. (Unlikely).

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/u ... even-begun

Re: Not a great start to Tory Party Conference?

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 12:48 pm
by Croydon13013
The Tories have tried to blame a small company for supplying the flawed app. Finally accepting that contracting out is not as good as doing things in-house.

Except that, oops, it was an app for creating your own app. Staff at 10 Downing Street were to blame for the serious error.

Re: Not a great start to Tory Party Conference?

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:00 pm
by Tony.Williams
Just as a matter of idle curiosity, does anyone know of any examples of significant software development by or for UK governments which have been delivered on time, within budget, and fault free? Most of the big ones seem to get cancelled after absorbing vast sums of money and years of time.

Re: Not a great start to Tory Party Conference?

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 6:09 pm
by chaggle
Interesting from Justine Greening at a fringe event

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 63476.html
Speaking at the same event, former education secretary Justine Greening said another public vote was the only way to break "stalemate" in Parliament.

She said: "The Chequers deal isn't going to get through, I don't think a Canada deal would get through and no-deal is absolutely going to be voted down by Parliament. Those are just the facts.

"We are going to reach stalemate... I think there is a growing band of Conservative MPs who have thought their way through this and reached the logical conclusion that a referendum is the only way we can unblock Parliament's stalemate.

"A growing number of Conservative MPs recognise this. It's a question of when they make their views known, not if."
I have to say I don't understand it.

Will there be such a vote in parliament - one which will reject all scenarios?

I thought it was going to be take it or leave it - i.e. either vote for the proposed deal or we leave with no deal. :con

Re: Not a great start to Tory Party Conference?

Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:17 am
by Tony.Williams
This is pinched from the BBC News website:

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I hope that everything is now absolutely clear :ang

Re: Not a great start to Tory Party Conference?

Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:39 am
by chaggle
WTF???

What an unbelievable mess. :shock:

Re: Not a great start to Tory Party Conference?

Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:55 am
by Croydon13013
Tony.Williams wrote:
Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:00 pm
Just as a matter of idle curiosity, does anyone know of any examples of significant software development by or for UK governments which have been delivered on time, within budget, and fault free? Most of the big ones seem to get cancelled after absorbing vast sums of money and years of time.
I think that this is just a media created perception. The vast majority of Govt IT projects go without a hitch and you don't hear or think about them. A few go spectacularly wrong and get big publicity; deservedly so, but usually without the public ever getting to understand what went wrong and why. Some suffer small problems that get distorted by the tabloids.

Think about all the things that are run by Govt software: planes, trains, etc. On-line taxes and licences. Loads of stuff we're not aware of involved big projects to set it all up that were just ignored because nothing went wrong.

Re: Not a great start to Tory Party Conference?

Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 12:08 pm
by Tony.Williams
Fair comment, although I suspect that in some cases over-ambitious targets have contributed to the problems. I was horrified by the ID card proposal of a few years ago, not because I have anything against ID cards as such, but because the government was proposing to use them to access loads of different data about people held on several entirely different IT systems. The potential for disaster was immense (in fact, virtually guaranteed IMO).

As I am well aware, having been involved in many projects of a different kind, the temptation for many people is to say something like "that's a great idea, it would be even better if we just add capability x to it" and projects can grow in complexity and cost very quickly unless someone is in charge with the authority to say "we're not doing that, go away". This gets particularly tricky if government ministers get interested, since the project manager will be working for them - either as a civil servant or (preferably) a professional project manager - and ministers don't take kindly to being told (politely of course) "push off and shut up!"

Re: Not a great start to Tory Party Conference?

Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:00 am
by Croydon13013
I see that the front page of The Mirror today is running a story (with photo evidence) about Tory Students with slogans such as "Enoch was right" and "Fuck the NHS" written on their T-Shirts. some also had anti-Semitic slogans written on their skin in biro.

No doubt the BBC will pursue this story with the same enthusiasm that they have had while hounding the Labour Party over alleged anti-Semitism.